Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Arnold Murray Bible Teaching Truth?

I've found some conflicts in some of Pastor Arnold Murray's Bible teaching.  Want to know what they are?

Don't get me wrong, I consider myself a devoted member of the Shepherds Chapel fellowship.
But if I just take everything Pastor Murray says without questioning it,
that means I haven't learned a thing.
That's exactly why I continue to be a student with Shepherds Chapel.
I like that Shepherds Chapel encourages you to "check it out for yourself".
The student and teacher will not always agree, and at times the student will catch the
teacher taking short cuts to make a point.  None of this voids the positive end result.

So, it should say a lot of someone who encourages you to "fact check" what they say.
Also, a good teacher will point out areas that are broadly disagreed on.  Allowing you
to study your way through to a conclusion of your own.

If your still waiting for me to tell you about Pastor Murray's "conflicts" you've missed the point.
And, if you've found no conflicts in Pastor Murray's teaching, you're not actually learning.

7 comments:

Matthew said...

I'm hung up on one topic of Arnold Murray's teaching. If the fallen angels came down to woman and had offspring that were giants, then why wasn't Cain a giant?

Unknown said...

I don't believe that is what was taught. Satan himself had relationship with Eve not one of the giants or other fallen angels. That might help explain. The serpent was none other than the darkest one.

jar said...

Cain may have been a giant maybe thats why he was able to overpower and kill abel.just a thought

Ruth1 said...

Good point. Cain may have been a giant. But whether he was or wasn't the fact remains that Satan was his father.

Josh Yost said...

I have done extensive research on this subject and what people don't understand is primarily in Genesis especially the first three chapters it was borrowed from an ancient Sumerian texts on the beginning and creation it's called the Priestly text it wasn't actually Giants as we think but the Nephilim which were people of old renown in context what it's talking about is the Six-Day created man and formed Adam Cain was The Offspring of the adversary Satan means adversary in the Hebrew the serpent in the Hebrew tongue means magician an enchanter there were other people in Nations in the garden Ezekiel chapter 31 will attest to that the word Giant was actually transliterated through the Septuagint and brought to us by the translators at a later time especially when you get into Noah's flood my Studies have shown that it was not a worldwide flood at this time but only a geographical location in the whole story of Noah has been adapted from away earlier period of origin possibly from the Sumerians that is very easily confirmed when you look at the other ancient civilizations at the time of Noah such as the Chinese and you see that the kings ruled @ the time of Noah to this present there was no doumented time of interruption of a flood.. in order to get a proper understanding of wisdom and to study properly to gain knowledge you have to research the origin of the Torah in the process it had to come in order to be brought to us at this present day you will see that very clearly when Jesus stated whoa whoa whoa to you lawyer and scribes who have written and taken away key of knowledge those that have eyes to see let him see .. joshyost135741@gmail.com

Josh Yost said...

I have done extensive research on this subject and what people don't understand is primarily in Genesis especially the first three chapters it was borrowed from an ancient Sumerian texts on the beginning and creation it's called the Priestly text it wasn't actually Giants as we think but the Nephilim which were people of old renown in context what it's talking about is the Six-Day created man and formed Adam Cain was The Offspring of the adversary Satan means adversary in the Hebrew the serpent in the Hebrew tongue means magician an enchanter there were other people in Nations in the garden Ezekiel chapter 31 will attest to that the word Giant was actually transliterated through the Septuagint and brought to us by the translators at a later time especially when you get into Noah's flood my Studies have shown that it was not a worldwide flood at this time but only a geographical location in the whole story of Noah has been adapted from away earlier period of origin possibly from the Sumerians that is very easily confirmed when you look at the other ancient civilizations at the time of Noah such as the Chinese and you see that the kings ruled @ the time of Noah to this present there was no doumented time of interruption of a flood.. in order to get a proper understanding of wisdom and to study properly to gain knowledge you have to research the origin of the Torah in the process it had to come in order to be brought to us at this present day you will see that very clearly when Jesus stated whoa whoa whoa to you lawyer and scribes who have written and taken away key of knowledge those that have eyes to see let him see .. joshyost135741@gmail.com

Rick Richards said...

Good morning. This is addressed to Adam and I like this guy already!
I don't know how many of pastor Murray's students feel the same as I do but since the pastor has passed away, Dennis has taken over a lot of the daily broadcasts and I find it difficult to study with him. He speaks in a monotone voice that just really rubs me the wrong way and as much as I have tried to listen to him I just cannot do it.
I know that he has probably worked in the background for many years doing the administrative work and all that that entails, but it was the pastor that we all studied with these many years and it's the pastor that I would like to continue to study with. Heaven knows that there must be thousands of recordings of pastor Murray teaching ALL the books of the Bible and we could spend a lifetime watching those recordings.
I have never read anywhere in the Bible where the gifts given to one person are transferred to another and certainly pastor Murray had a gift of teaching. I remember hearing him say one time that even tho he has what seems to be a photographic memory for Scripture when seated behind the desk and teaching, he finds it difficult to answer a question on the Bible from someone who just walks up to him on the street and asks it.
What I'm trying to delicately say is that I don't believe that the gift of teaching has been transferred from the pastor to Dennis. He may be a fantastic administrator but I think he falls short when it comes to teaching.
What I would love to see are tapes from pastor Murray broadcast every morning, maybe with a special from Dennis from time to time. As I sit here and think back, that's exactly the way it used to be when the pastor was still with us.
I miss getting my beloved King James out, with a hot cup of coffee, and studying with the pastor five mornings a week.
Maybe I'm being selfish, and if a I am, I apologize for that, but please put the pastor back on.
Alright, I've said my piece but there is something else I'd like to bring up. For the last few weeks Dennis was teaching the books of Samuel. And then last week it changed to several individual studies by Dennis.
Yesterday pastor Murray was on, on tape of course, and I was shocked at how much weight he had lost and how haggard he looked. I can only assume that this might have been one of his last recordings before he passed to be with the Father. It looked as though he was teaching at a Passover event as it was not behind his usual desk. And against his better judgment, and he was quick to point that out (LOL), he said that it cost $100,000, one hundred thousand dollars, for one hour of broadcast time on the Galaxy satellite!
I couldn't help but think that maybe the donations had fallen off since Dennis has taken over and it was a reminder to us, the faithful contributors, that it was expensive to put the telecasts over the air.
Whether I personally like Dennis or not, I would encourage everyone to continue to donate, as they have done in the past, to keep these broadcasts on the air as they still bring the truth of our Father's Word to the public around the world.
I have been studying with the pastor since 1995 and as with all of us, we miss him dearly, and I hope that Dennis will air more of the pastors tapes than he has in the recent past.